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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the nsa

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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it's a worldwide phenomenon

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy

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we're going to end july and begin august

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with some big names

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we have aviel webb coming up talking

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about the galileo project

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then ross kiltart will be joining me to

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discuss his book in plain sight

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and that's as well as other shows like

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our update pods and a listener colin

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show that i'm hoping to have a very

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special guest

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as part of as well before all that a

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highly anticipated guest

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finally joins me on the podcast in

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recent years there are not many people

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who have done more to bring credibility

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and highlight the subject

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and the mainstream than this man

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researcher director

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full-time father i've got james fox with

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me on the pod james welcome to the

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pleasure to be here thank you for having

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just going to tell you earlier that i

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admire your tenacity

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because um i remember when i got

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uh a big break back in the 90s i managed

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to get an interview with edgar mitchell

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written everything old posts

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and um he finally agreed to meet with me

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and i was walking in his backyard with

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and i said dr mitchell and i was so star

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providing me the opportunity why did you

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why did you agree you know why did you

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finally agree to the interview and he

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said because i realized you wouldn't go

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i admire so much because you know um

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i i really try to get back to everybody

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i i am so honored to have people reach

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even remotely interested in in promoting

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what i do or

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just talking with me but honestly

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you know you get waves of of interest

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and you and you know you put a movie out

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it's quite intense it's hard to keep up

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with right and you don't want to be rude

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and not get back to people

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because it's that's rude but at the same

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time sometimes it's just not possible

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to get back to everybody yeah life life

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gets in the way and i've talked about

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that on the podcast a few times that no

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matter who you are in this subject it's

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whatever you've got a family to go back

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a life to go back to you've still got to

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i'm still learning to try to balance the

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it gets me to places like this where i

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get to talk to people like you so

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phenomenon i was fascinated i still am

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you know i'm just enjoying the ride

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church and i've caught that and i'm sure

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to give those people a voice and a

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james very quickly though just to fill

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this in a bit of background uh

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don't do that and obviously it's turned

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don't care if you want to be a

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a a garbage man or a lawyer or a doctor

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he'd always say that to me i'll never i

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unsupportive he was not only

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unsupportive he was desperately trying

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a driving factor in that almost to prove

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absolutely it totally backfired for him

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phenomenon i heard about that

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done on the topic i did a film

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called 50 years of denial was the first

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film i did it took me roughly four years

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it's not the vision that i had had but

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worked really hard on i know what i saw

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my dad was like yes son but look at what

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anyway so when i did the phenomenon i

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said i'm not going to make those

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if i can't afford it i'll wait until i

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raise the money to do it right

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i said to myself i did it i'm fully

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this is the film that i've been trying

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to do for 27 years

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now what well

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filmmaking is more of a personal journey

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share with the general public you know

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what i mean i want answers

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i've never done this for the money this

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passionate about i mean i

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i'm so curious i really want to know

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unfortunately i'm coming to the

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realization that i probably will never

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people people will hate you saying that

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there's that chance it's an honesty that

283
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you know we may never find out

284
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as much as it seems to be awesome

285
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don't get me wrong i'm doing everything

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i can to find out

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but i'm coming to the realization it's

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like am i gonna know

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you know um i mean i kind of have it in

290
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in inkling but still but so in any case

291
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um am i i'm satisfied with the film

292
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but now i want to do another film

293
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and this time i want to explore more the

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intelligence behind the phenomenon the

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technology behind the phenomenon

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these are things that i want answers to

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and i think it's a natural progression

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uh with uh you know for a sequel and

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as that you mentioned that on jimmy

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church that the phenomenon

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to let's call it it's working title at

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the moment if that's what it's going to

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be

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and is is that what you're thinking then

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it's going to be your journey into

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working out or trying to look at the

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intelligence behind

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what may be behind some of these objects

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some of these entities

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and and the like yeah you know

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um work with jacques valet

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and uh and uh

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other scientists that can talk about the

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propulsion the observed technology i

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think they kind of

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understand from what i gather

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how it works but they don't know how to

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replicate that

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that's my understanding so

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um and also you know you look at what

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they do but then you look at what they

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don't do

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and that speaks volumes so yeah i mean

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it's

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uh that's gonna be my next step um and

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after that

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i don't know how i'll feel maybe i'll be

328
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like well i've done what i can do and

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i'll move on to something else i don't

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know

331
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now listen i won't ask you too much

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about the phenomenon the first one

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because

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you've done that media run you've talked

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about at length and i've got some

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questions from the listeners on that as

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well

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fair enough yeah however you you've

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mentioned

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jacques valley and i've heard a few

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interviews you've done uh here in the uk

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you spoke with herbert hughes

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on the unexplained and you mentioned how

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getting jack valley on board for the

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phenomenon

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opened up a lot of doors for you as well

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now

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jacques valley's very credible name been

349
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in this this subject this field for

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decades now both he and gary nolan

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feature quite prominently

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in the phenomenon and jacques is

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carrying around samples with him almost

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like they're a child like a baby

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and he's very protective of them that

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seems to have gone very very quiet

357
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have you heard or got any follow-up at

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all to

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to those samples that testing and what

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we can or can't expect to hear

361
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yeah so everything was going great and

362
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then the

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um the coronavirus hit

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and gary nolan received notification

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from

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the white house uh to

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study the virus in the lab because

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that's what he does

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and so he pushed all his

370
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other things that he had and uh and and

371
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focused on the virus

372
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so that that you know lost a year

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um uh i'm i'm sure that

374
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uh they're picking back up again but but

375
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we lost a year

376
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so sure that's that's what happened

377
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that that's when that's good to clear

378
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that up because it's been one of those

379
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things especially with the

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jacques villain paola harris book that

381
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came out initially it was just jack's

382
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name attached to it if you went off of

383
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the amazon page

384
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then it became this whole payload was

385
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attached to it as well the book came out

386
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everyone thought it was going to be

387
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about the materials and analysis and

388
00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:26,480
that was a bit of a letdown for some

389
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people so that's good to hear that still

390
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in the works

391
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you mentioned before some of your

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documentaries tend to take you about

393
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five years

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to come to fruition are we looking at

395
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five more years before we see the

396
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phenomenon too

397
00:14:42,829 --> 00:14:40,800
that's a great question you're the first

398
00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:42,839
person to ask me that

399
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uh so

400
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i'm just trying to think how much i can

401
00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:50,000
talk about this uh uh um

402
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i've teamed up with a fairly

403
00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:56,480
uh uh big

404
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crew of of professionals people that are

405
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:01,839
much smarter than me uh because that's

406
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what you want to surround yourself with

407
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:04,399
right

408
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and uh and we have discussed that exact

409
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aspect um and i wanted to partner with

410
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um a production company that can

411
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really accelerate the process writer

412
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researchers of course i'll oversee every

413
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bit of it and make sure

414
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it maintains integrity and accuracy and

415
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,480
all that

416
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but um we're talking about a turnaround

417
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of 18 months

418
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okay so that's pretty good and within

419
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that time

420
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you are currently researching for your

421
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your

422
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next project which before then which is

423
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going to be on the brazilian incident

424
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um you've talked a little bit about this

425
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but if you don't mind just for the

426
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:47,680
listeners who may not have heard the

427
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,480
detail or

428
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:50,160
or want to hear a bit of an update

429
00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:52,000
what's going on with the virginia

430
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,959
incident in brazil yeah absolutely so i

431
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:56,800
will uh start off with a caveat that i

432
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:57,199
don't

433
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:00,720
expect any one of your listeners

434
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:03,680
or viewers uh to believe any of this

435
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:04,160
because

436
00:16:11,829 --> 00:16:07,600
i didn't but um

437
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:11,839
in 1996 there was an alleged

438
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ufo crash in virginia brazil which is

439
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about

440
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four and a half hours to the north of

441
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sao paulo and i can never say that right

442
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:28,150
yeah and um i remember

443
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,759
the first time i heard about it was in

444
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,440
the late 90s and

445
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:33,519
my partner tim coleman i did out of the

446
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,680
blue with he's like oh yeah this ufo

447
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:37,360
crash and there were beans walking

448
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:38,720
around the town

449
00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:42,240
come on you know and i didn't even ask

450
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,120
any more questions

451
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,320
and then about

452
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:48,720
five six years after that i was going to

453
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brazil because i was invited

454
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:53,040
to speak at a conference and a friend of

455
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:53,839
mine who's quite

456
00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:55,920
credible guy he was like oh if you're

457
00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:57,199
going to brazil you've got to look into

458
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:59,360
the virginia case and i was like

459
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:01,120
sure i'll look into the virginia case

460
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:02,480
not you know

461
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:04,240
went to went to virginia i'm sorry i

462
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:05,600
went to brazil

463
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,959
i went to a place called perubi

464
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:11,280
and uh i went with stanton freeman funny

465
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:12,400
enough we wrote a

466
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:15,280
taxi together a several hour car ride

467
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:16,880
from sao paulo

468
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:20,240
and uh there was a an island off the

469
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:21,600
coast of perubi

470
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:23,280
you could see it from where we were

471
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:25,360
staying and apparently

472
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:28,079
uh it had these deadly snakes but the

473
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,600
venom was worth a lot of money

474
00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:31,679
but it was the only place on earth and

475
00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:34,080
so these poachers would go to the island

476
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:36,320
to steal the venom from these snakes and

477
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:37,760
half of them apparently would die

478
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:39,039
because the snakes would

479
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,440
drop out of the trees and kill them but

480
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,880
in any case while i was there with

481
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:44,880
stanton friedman

482
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:47,760
i met some witnesses from virginia and i

483
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:49,600
was like

484
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:52,640
okay this this is interesting i'm

485
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:55,840
my interest is kind of peaked um

486
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:59,039
and then i went back to uh brazil and i

487
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,559
went to virginia

488
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,039
and then i went back a third time and

489
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,600
now i'm going back a fourth time and now

490
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,520
after meeting with the witnesses meeting

491
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:09,840
with military i met with a general and

492
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,919
put two generals and i met with a lot of

493
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:13,280
the primary witnesses

494
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:16,880
i'm convinced that um

495
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,400
something truly uh otherworldly

496
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:23,280
took place in 1996 and it looks like a

497
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:24,640
crash

498
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,080
that we're being survived no it's

499
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,840
it's a great story it's got all the

500
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:31,520
attributes you would want to hear

501
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,480
in an incredible case now i know you

502
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,160
spoke to one of the generals who

503
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:38,080
am i writing saying in the timeline he

504
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:39,679
has since passed on

505
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,720
but he said to you it happened

506
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,320
when you asked him tell me about it off

507
00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:46,080
the record and obviously you could talk

508
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:46,799
about that

509
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:49,039
no that's not me breaking breaking news

510
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:50,160
because you talked about that one jimmy

511
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:51,679
church but

512
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,840
was it was that what sold it for you

513
00:18:58,870 --> 00:18:57,120
well

514
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,880
you know you got a general in the air

515
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,039
force jose

516
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:03,520
carlos pereira you can look them up

517
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:04,960
google them

518
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:08,840
brazilian air force general and

519
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,280
uh during the interview i interviewed

520
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:13,120
him on camera and i have photographs of

521
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,919
us with him

522
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,360
he he didn't really want to go into

523
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:17,520
virginia very much in fact very little

524
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,200
it was kind of a situation where i can

525
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,919
neither confirm nor deny

526
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,760
and he would talk about the existence of

527
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,960
ufos and

528
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,880
and and that sort of thing and some very

529
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,799
compelling cases in brazil

530
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:31,200
particularly this one case in 1986

531
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:32,559
another case

532
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:36,000
uh in the 70s it was late 70s

533
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:38,960
operation plateau on a series of islands

534
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,880
very compelling stuff

535
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,520
but uh in any case after the interview i

536
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:45,600
was walking with him with this marco

537
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:46,799
leia

538
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,880
um buddy of mine translator

539
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:53,120
and i said to the general through the

540
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:54,000
translator

541
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:57,440
i i swear on my life there are no

542
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,919
recording devices or cameras rolling and

543
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:01,600
we were walking to the car

544
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,120
to his he had a driver and

545
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,640
and i looked him dead in the eyes which

546
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,320
i do often times when i really want to

547
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,400
get the truth out of somebody

548
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:13,039
and i said can you tell me what happened

549
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,840
you know what

550
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:16,240
tell me about virginia and he kind of

551
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,200
looked at us

552
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,640
and he paused and he said it happened

553
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,799
and he got in the car and off off they

554
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,320
drove it's those

555
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:26,159
types of levels of confirmation there

556
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,679
are no cameras rolling he's not trying

557
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,440
to sell a story

558
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,360
why on earth would he you know tell me

559
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,559
of course coupled with all the

560
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,360
interviews

561
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:36,320
i've done with the witnesses um i would

562
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,440
say that was

563
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,120
a level of confirmation personal

564
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:41,039
confirmation that that really

565
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,320
uh keep keeps you going now i'm going to

566
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,400
draw similarities to the

567
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:48,400
trinity book from jacques valley and

568
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,440
paola harris

569
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,280
i met those witnesses by the way i

570
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:53,200
interviewed both of them

571
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,200
from trinity yes both of those witnesses

572
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,799
that's good and i know you're saying

573
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,640
you've had the opportunity to meet them

574
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:02,480
look them in the eye which can be a big

575
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,679
tale for people

576
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:06,240
now the the big controversy from that

577
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:06,960
book

578
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,080
is given how long ago what happened much

579
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,080
of it is based on the word of

580
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,640
witnesses who at the time were children

581
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,880
and paola pins a lot of the fact on

582
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,320
children don't lie

583
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,559
and i'm going to come back to my point

584
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:22,000
they were children at the time they're

585
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,200
not children now

586
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,240
they're obviously far far older now

587
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,559
there's no evidence there's no

588
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,559
photographic or video evidence from what

589
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,000
happened back in the 40s

590
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,000
at the trinity site so it's very much

591
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,440
here's some testimony

592
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,600
you can choose to believe it or not

593
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:39,200
what's the difference going to be with

594
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:39,760
the

595
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:42,799
brazilian incident

596
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,520
given it was the the mid-90s there's

597
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,960
going to be testimony there'll be

598
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,679
interviews

599
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,799
you know you've spoken to these

600
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,880
witnesses what are you going to be able

601
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,960
to put in front of people to say

602
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,720
but here's why you should believe it

603
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,080
here's why this happened

604
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:01,360
you know i i steered clear of the

605
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,240
trinity

606
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,559
incident not because i didn't believe

607
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:06,320
the witnesses but there were only two of

608
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:07,280
them

609
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,440
time the other one was like 11.

610
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:14,159
something like that i don't quote me on

611
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,200
that

612
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,120
but i but i met them and i was quite

613
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,280
impressed i really

614
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,799
believed that they believed what they

615
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:22,240
were saying and they took me to the site

616
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,200
and everything

617
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,640
very vivid detail about the beans and

618
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:27,760
the craft

619
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:34,630
if you look at roswell you have

620
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:37,760
no one person that really tells you

621
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:40,799
the whole story you have

622
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,520
the mortician glenn dennis who talks

623
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:45,919
about his interaction with the military

624
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,559
you have um you know uh

625
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,720
the the daughter of the police officer

626
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,039
wilcox you know talking about

627
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,039
what what she knew and you kind of have

628
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,600
to put the pieces together right yeah

629
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:02,480
it's very similar with uh the virginia

630
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:03,360
case

631
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,120
um i have uh some very compelling

632
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,480
interviews with military

633
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:11,360
people um the eyewitness testimony is in

634
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:12,559
broad daylight

635
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:15,760
proximity to the beans is

636
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,559
uh 10 feet or you'd say three three

637
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,310
some documentation um people that

638
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,919
handled the creature talking to their

639
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,120
family members

640
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,280
uh people that were directly at the

641
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,120
crash site going to the crash site

642
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,720
talking to the farmers talking to the

643
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:34,159
man that came across

644
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,760
the wreckage talking to the uh

645
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,640
uh farmers that's that that's heard

646
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,480
their animals going crazy at two o'clock

647
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,159
in the morning and ran outside and saw

648
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:45,840
this thing in distress

649
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,240
no wings no tail no you know no sound

650
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,919
and you kind of have to put the pieces

651
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,760
together and uh

652
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,400
you know will we come back with a

653
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,919
photograph of one of the beans

654
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:00,400
i'm going to do everything i can can i

655
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:01,360
guarantee it

656
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,360
absolutely not but i'm gonna try

657
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:08,640
but i will tell you that it's the

658
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,080
collection the preponderance of

659
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,400
compelling testimony that makes a very

660
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,240
powerful story

661
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,919
now at the end of the phenomenon

662
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,480
documentary we we hear testimony from

663
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,840
the school children

664
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:23,840
um as they were children then from

665
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,799
zimbabwe and as they are adults now

666
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,400
and that was lucky that we've got that

667
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,559
footage from from the time so we can

668
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,240
actually see the children as they were

669
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,919
after the incident and the drawings that

670
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:34,960
we're making

671
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:37,600
yeah it's had a big impact on people and

672
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,240
i've got

673
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,080
can follow and read comments and read

674
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,760
reviews and it had that impact but the

675
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,039
big thing for me was

676
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,279
my wife isn't necessarily interested in

677
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:49,679
this topic okay it's aliens and ufos to

678
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,080
her

679
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,320
but she she knows i enjoy it and it's a

680
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,520
passion i mean

681
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,559
i i showed her that piece after i had

682
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,400
watched the documentary the first time

683
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,919
and i was like watch this and watch

684
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,600
these kids and she thought that was

685
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,640
incredible

686
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,559
so for me if that has an impact on

687
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,159
someone who has no interest in the

688
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:07,520
subject not that they believe or

689
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,559
disbelieve

690
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,320
then it must have had an impact on other

691
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:13,120
people did the reaction like that from

692
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,559
the end of the phenomenon to the

693
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:16,159
zimbabwe incident

694
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,279
have any sway in you following up on the

695
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,480
virginia incident

696
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:23,200
as what you were going to do next yeah

697
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:24,400
well you know i have

698
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,000
video testimony from 1996

699
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,480
of the witnesses on camera and they were

700
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:31,840
young women

701
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,520
um and then i have them as adults

702
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,919
you know uh how long ago would that have

703
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:39,120
been 1996

704
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,240
boy 20 uh what 26 years 25 26 years yeah

705
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,960
so i so we have testimony with them just

706
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:48,880
like we do in africa

707
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,080
uh on camera discussing what they'd seen

708
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,279
within a you know days or less

709
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,400
and then we have uh these interviews

710
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,919
with the same people

711
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,320
in modern day as adults talking about it

712
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,000
like it happened yesterday

713
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,080
going to the exact spot where they'd

714
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,320
seen the the creature

715
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:11,600
you know you got like witnesses in town

716
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,240
like

717
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,919
you could literally go to the town of

718
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,440
virginia i've done it

719
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,480
and knock on doors and just start asking

720
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,840
questions and i remember

721
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,679
the audio guy that was with me from he

722
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,279
was from like rio

723
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,799
he looked at me and he was like are you

724
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,320
you know you can't just go knocking on

725
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:28,960
people's doors i was like well why not

726
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,919
and and we found more witnesses we found

727
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,720
more

728
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,559
people be like yeah the whole town was

729
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:36,320
covered with you know they surrounded

730
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,200
the whole town with

731
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,000
with military trucks they literally

732
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:42,400
cordoned off the entire village

733
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,320
you know and so you get little pieces of

734
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,640
testimony from all these different

735
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:51,120
witnesses and uh and you know the the

736
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,000
the

737
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,400
picture is pretty obvious what happened

738
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,840
that's that's really good to hear those

739
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,440
comparisons from what we saw in the

740
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,880
zimbabwe incident and we've got the

741
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,120
footage from then and now

742
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:03,600
what what i'm going to ask is you've

743
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,240
you've got

744
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,159
beings running around this town

745
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:08,480
supposedly which is incredible to think

746
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,520
of

747
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:11,279
why do you think an incident like this

748
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:12,799
can happen in the first place do you

749
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:13,600
have any idea

750
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,360
as to how an object has come to land

751
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,000
or crash there and then why we've had

752
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:22,720
beings exposed to the general public

753
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:25,840
what's actually happened to cause that

754
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:28,799
i have no idea are you hoping to find

755
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:29,440
out

756
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,559
uh yeah you know um i did hear and this

757
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,080
is something i'm going to try to get you

758
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:36,000
know because i

759
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,120
if i hear speculation or

760
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,240
conjecture i don't use it in the film

761
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,760
i'll never do that i mean there were

762
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:47,360
aspects things that i'd heard that i

763
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,399
didn't feature

764
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,960
on every film i've ever done because if

765
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,240
i can't really prove it like

766
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,720
i'll give you an example men in black

767
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,840
you know people it's got

768
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,279
it's got a lot of baggage now when you

769
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,120
say men in black but i'm tell you i

770
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:01,840
heard stories of men in suits

771
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,200
so many times 12 years

772
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,679
in you know and i just dismiss it and i

773
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,600
think the last time i heard it

774
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,840
i was in brazil actually and i heard it

775
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,679
in the virginia case

776
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,240
from a mother of the of the witnesses

777
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:18,159
and there was no way this woman was

778
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,360
lying to me

779
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:23,120
i finally was like wow that's compelling

780
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,630
you know because you you can't really

781
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:30,080
prove these things do you know what i

782
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:30,960
mean

783
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,720
yeah but you could put together

784
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,880
compelling testimony from enough people

785
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,720
and it paints a pretty uh

786
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,039
remarkable picture and that's what we're

787
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,640
gonna do with virginia and

788
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,559
look i know there's evidence i know

789
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,840
there's photographic evidence i know

790
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,360
there are government documents

791
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,480
and and you can take it to the bank

792
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,240
that i'm going to do everything i can to

793
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:53,679
come back with some of that

794
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:58,000
everything i can but these it's hard

795
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,679
and i've heard you say in a previous

796
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:01,440
interview and i can quote you on this

797
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,240
word for word

798
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:05,200
it's credibility credibility credibility

799
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:05,679
and

800
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,360
the phenomenon stood out

801
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,200
for me and i've said this before on the

802
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,440
podcast i don't pander

803
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,919
it's the go-to piece for anyone who is

804
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,120
interested in the subject

805
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,799
or wants to get interested in the

806
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,960
subject i would show them that

807
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,720
and from there they can move on to their

808
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,880
own research their own findings you know

809
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:27,200
check out podcasts check websites go on

810
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,080
forums

811
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,679
um there are other filmmakers and other

812
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,200
documentary filmmakers i'm going to come

813
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,559
to those in just a moment because i've

814
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,919
got some questions about more

815
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,480
modern time but when can we expect to

816
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,480
see the virginia incident

817
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,279
pro project released oh it's coming out

818
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,880
early next year

819
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,559
are we going to get a theatrical release

820
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,399
is that the hope i know that never

821
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,840
happened with the phenomenon but you

822
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,039
really hoped it would

823
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:53,520
you know it's only one case so i doubt

824
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:54,240
it

825
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:01,279
variety

826
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,120
um and we've had inquiries from every

827
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:08,640
distributor um you know streaming i mean

828
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,679
like everybody's interested so we'll see

829
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,520
you know i'm gonna do the best i can

830
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:15,520
it's gonna be it's just one case i'm

831
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,399
just it's just

832
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,600
you know it's like doing a piece on

833
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:20,159
roswell right but it's the roswell of

834
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:21,120
brazil

835
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:24,640
so um i'm gonna crank it out uh you know

836
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:27,600
this will be believe it or not the

837
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:28,480
fourth time

838
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,559
and the jesus ten

839
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:35,440
yeah ten years i've been going back and

840
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,320
forth to brazil

841
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,480
investigating this case on and off for

842
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,799
10 years can you believe that

843
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,720
that's a lot of work that's a long time

844
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,960
as well and i was knocking on doors and

845
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,320
i mean i'm not kidding you when i tell

846
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,000
you i go down and i investigate stuff

847
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,440
and i did the same thing with socorro i

848
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,279
spent five years on socorro

849
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,360
not every day but going back and

850
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:54,880
developing relationships and getting

851
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,440
trust

852
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,840
that's what it takes well i would love

853
00:31:01,029 --> 00:31:00,000
to see even a one-off screening in the

854
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,039
uk next year

855
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:03,440
uh maybe get you over you know a q a

856
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,159
afterwards

857
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:05,919
if i can help organize that and get a

858
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,799
big enough menu i am people would travel

859
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,559
no i would love to do that and and i

860
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:12,720
want to crank out as much content

861
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,919
as i can because i feel that there's a

862
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:18,000
tremendous amount of momentum

863
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,600
that we need to take advantage of

864
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,200
there's a lot going on

865
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,039
we need to keep pushing this is not the

866
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,120
time to let up do you know what i mean

867
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,799
yes we've had a level of confirmation

868
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,240
from the government a lot of people felt

869
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,840
it was a big nothing burger i didn't

870
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,799
feel that way

871
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:33,279
i thought this was in fact i didn't

872
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:33,840
think

873
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,360
i know that this is unprecedented um

874
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,799
so would i like to see more absolutely i

875
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,760
think we need to keep

876
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,640
the pressure on with our representatives

877
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:46,240
there's just

878
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:49,679
so much to to to do you know

879
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,519
i was also doing a it

880
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,559
i started a uap act now website

881
00:32:02,789 --> 00:31:59,600
where people for free could

882
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:02,799
go online i built a template message i

883
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,279
used

884
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,360
i worked with elizondo and chris mellon

885
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,880
we put together a message

886
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,640
um it's got to be updated because it's

887
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,960
the the preliminary report has been

888
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,320
released

889
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,240
but we want to continue that effort as

890
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:15,760
well because

891
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,559
um representatives need to hear from

892
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,919
their constituents

893
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,919
uh and to know that you know we're

894
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,960
watching and we're

895
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:24,799
we're waiting and we're wanting them to

896
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:32,149
this coming out could you imagine the

897
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:33,440
government

898
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,720
producing the type of evidence

899
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,960
that people like neil degrasse tyson has

900
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,640
been saying is missing

901
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,200
they've got it believe me they have it

902
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,360
um

903
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,360
i i would love to see that happen and i

904
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,470
i think it could happen and i think it

905
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:54,159
could happen soonish

906
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,159
i really do when i say soonish

907
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,240
in the next few years i i feel like if

908
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:02,240
we can keep the pressure on that that we

909
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:02,720
could

910
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,960
things i'm going to talk to you about

911
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,200
on that sort of subject but listeners

912
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,720
sent me in questions and i want to give

913
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,399
them the credit for it as well so

914
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,080
i'll i'll leave her those questions till

915
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,840
they come up i want to ask you though

916
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:17,360
you're right we've got a wave of

917
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,159
momentum

918
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,000
i feel we're on if it's a bit of a

919
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,600
roller coaster since the

920
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,919
task force report dropped were probably

921
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,720
on the

922
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,799
going back down or coming back up

923
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,399
slightly on the peaks

924
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,640
because there was a wave and a build up

925
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:32,559
and the report came out it had its

926
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,279
impact

927
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,360
and it was very much a personal thing

928
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:37,600
for me it was it was huge and it was a

929
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,000
big

930
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,240
next step what was in there and people

931
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,600
just have to take a step back and

932
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:43,200
realize that and i think they will in

933
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,000
time

934
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,519
there are other people though like

935
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:47,440
yourself um namely

936
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,559
jeremy corbell makes documentaries on a

937
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,600
similar subject

938
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,519
certainly has a different tone and style

939
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,200
and approach to you

940
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,360
and that includes within the media

941
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,440
jeremy seems to be

942
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,600
he enjoys hype he has a different

943
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,000
approach to to bringing out news

944
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,799
how do you view someone like jeremy

945
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:07,600
corbell

946
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:10,720
who produces content like you

947
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,000
and as and has in his possession

948
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:18,399
evidence or videos that are being leaked

949
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,280
to him

950
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,960
and he's putting them out there for for

951
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,560
everyone to digest

952
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:25,280
is he doing it in a positive way for you

953
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,760
or

954
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:27,119
is it an approach that you're not keen

955
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,669
you know there's so much mud slinging in

956
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,520
this field

957
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,560
um i have my

958
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:41,760
thoughts and feelings about

959
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,960
a lot of other researchers at the end of

960
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:47,040
the day i have to remind myself

961
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,520
that i'm not them and

962
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,119
everyone has a slightly different

963
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,960
approach everyone has a slightly

964
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:57,359
different belief

965
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,359
we have to remind ourselves to suspend

966
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:04,480
those judgments and focus on a common

967
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,880
goal

968
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:07,280
together because we can be our own worst

969
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,079
enemy

970
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,680
and uh you know i think the government

971
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:11,119
probably laughs at some point because

972
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,680
we're

973
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,520
there's so much mudslinging going on

974
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,760
internally it's like we're not you know

975
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,920
and so i generally steer clear from

976
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,920
making any any comments

977
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,920
uh publicly about someone else's work

978
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,440
because i get criticized

979
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,359
people feel like i don't go far enough

980
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,720
people feel like i just

981
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,200
do rehashed stuff they don't understand

982
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:30,880
what my objectives are and that's fair

983
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,520
enough

984
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,760
uh and they're entitled to their opinion

985
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,960
um

986
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,960
sometimes it's a little painful because

987
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,400
you think they just don't know who i am

988
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:40,160
and what i'm trying to do

989
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,079
i've always been very clear that i

990
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:47,119
want to put together a body of evidence

991
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,589
sway the general public's opinion on the

992
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:55,920
topic because

993
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,560
you simply cannot put forth anything

994
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:02,560
without assuming that you're presenting

995
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,160
to a jury in a court of law

996
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,119
if it doesn't have enough evidence and

997
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:10,800
it doesn't have to be hard evidence like

998
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,119
like a photographer you know but enough

999
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,040
evidence to

1000
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,760
get someone to really take a second look

1001
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,200
then you shouldn't put it out there

1002
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,599
and that's how i feel but not everybody

1003
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,390
there are personal beliefs i have

1004
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,400
that i would never share publicly

1005
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,920
because i can't prove it

1006
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,000
and it would descr it might discredit me

1007
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,440
in some people's eyes

1008
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,920
and so i have to be very conservative i

1009
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,280
mean this is the first movie and i've

1010
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,119
talked about this in the past

1011
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:44,000
where i feature close encounters of the

1012
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,359
third kind

1013
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,560
i mean that's you know witnesses

1014
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,680
reporting beans

1015
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:52,079
that's a pretty slippery slope and i

1016
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:52,880
knew that

1017
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,720
and i was worried about that um

1018
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,680
so anyway you know so you know jeremy's

1019
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:01,920
got his style

1020
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,280
um uh george knapp has his style

1021
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:10,000
massive respect for george george knapp

1022
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,800
and uh

1023
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,160
you know there are a lot of people that

1024
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,240
that really enjoy what what jeremy's

1025
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,920
doing and how he's presenting and that's

1026
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,880
great

1027
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,599
um i happen to have a different style

1028
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,440
and and i think that's great too

1029
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:24,079
so you know let me follow up on that and

1030
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,960
ask you then because that's

1031
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:27,200
that's a fair response have you been

1032
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,079
approached by

1033
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:30,400
anyone within you know the military or

1034
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,200
otherwise

1035
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,240
to get footage out there or get a

1036
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,680
message out there and

1037
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,760
it would seem from from what you've done

1038
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:39,280
in your actions that you you wouldn't

1039
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,079
have done that

1040
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,359
or is that not something you've ever

1041
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,109
i would be

1042
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,390
yes i have worked with

1043
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,920
some people where i was going to release

1044
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:54,320
some footage this is a while ago

1045
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,030
i would be concerned

1046
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,079
about attaching my

1047
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,440
self and reputation to some footage that

1048
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,000
was provided to me by someone

1049
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,000
that i don't have a deep relationship

1050
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,560
with because

1051
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:19,200
that could easily discredit your efforts

1052
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,160
do you know what i mean

1053
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,440
yeah and so i would be wary of

1054
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:26,560
of any any anything look

1055
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,079
if i knew the pilot uh

1056
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:32,560
who shot it and you know we're good

1057
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,280
friends the

1058
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,400
different story but um some a relatively

1059
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:37,839
anonymous source

1060
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,280
uh it could be it could be uh

1061
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,880
a setup it could be uh a goal to

1062
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,800
discredit i mean believe me that stuff

1063
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,359
goes on

1064
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,560
right and only takes one you know

1065
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,079
like i remember when i finished out of

1066
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,880
the blue i kicked myself for it to this

1067
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,240
day

1068
00:39:04,630 --> 00:38:59,680
i was reading a review in tv guide

1069
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,640
and this guy said he got the date wrong

1070
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,400
on when mercury astronaut gordon cooper

1071
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:08,000
went to space and i did

1072
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,440
i think i got the year wrong or the

1073
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,920
month wrong and he's like so basically

1074
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,359
you can flush this whole film down the

1075
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,400
toilet

1076
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,760
that's basically what he was saying you

1077
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,560
know which is obviously not the case but

1078
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,520
but still it didn't look good right yeah

1079
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,880
you don't want to make mistakes like

1080
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,560
that and and uh

1081
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:27,680
so you have to be very careful

1082
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:31,040
i i believe um when it comes to that

1083
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,160
kind of evidence

1084
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,359
to to you know just be careful

1085
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,280
and it would be remiss of me not to ask

1086
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,560
here because some people will be

1087
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,160
thinking it has anyone ever approached

1088
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,920
you recently with a picture of a black

1089
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,079
triangle that's come out the ocean

1090
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,320
or a piece of footage no but i talked to

1091
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,200
the person who's seen it

1092
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,640
and he says it's extraordinary

1093
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,400
he said it was absolutely extraordinary

1094
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:56,400
like it's right there it's big

1095
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,079
and it went from sea level to space

1096
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,359
uh which i guess 80 000 feet yeah

1097
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,319
um in the blink of an eye and it went

1098
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,200
vertical access

1099
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,480
just straight up yeah i think he said it

1100
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,079
was the size of a football field i

1101
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:13,599
believe that's what he said

1102
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,920
yeah yeah and i'm like

1103
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,839
can we get this photograph released like

1104
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:21,359
what you know

1105
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,640
but there's a lot of pressure from the

1106
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:24,240
government being put on this individual

1107
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,040
i'm told

1108
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:28,079
a lot of pressure and so

1109
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,920
that could be yeah it probably will leak

1110
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,680
at some point

1111
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,359
hopefully someone like yourself and

1112
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,119
listen on that before we get to listen

1113
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,400
our questions james because i want to

1114
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,079
get through as many of them as we can

1115
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,400
in the time we've got left who are some

1116
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:44,079
of your go-to people for

1117
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:47,359
news who in the subject do you respect

1118
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,319
appreciate and

1119
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,079
those are the people for you that give

1120
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,119
the best information

1121
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,069
george knapp

1122
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,670
leslie kane

1123
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,589
stanton friedman

1124
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,870
trying to think i mean it's a good last

1125
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:15,839
so far

1126
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:19,280
yeah gary nolan obviously

1127
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:23,760
um chris mellon

1128
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,240
lou elizondo um

1129
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,079
i mean i've hung out with lou elizondo

1130
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,200
and i've met his wife and

1131
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,400
spent time at his house and uh

1132
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,960
i i see how it affects him when he gets

1133
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:40,240
criticism

1134
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,000
um you know he's like why you know

1135
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,359
why am i sacrificing so much uh you know

1136
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,599
what what's the point you know kind of

1137
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,280
thing he takes it kind of personally

1138
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:53,839
but i've seen you know what he's doing

1139
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,319
and i've

1140
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:56,960
talked with with senator reid about lou

1141
00:42:03,430 --> 00:41:59,599
elizondo and about the program and

1142
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,440
um uh yeah it's hard you know

1143
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,119
you you get criticized i mean you put

1144
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,480
yourself out there in the public and you

1145
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,920
get criticized and

1146
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,920
i had some guy the other day and i you

1147
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:12,000
know i don't engage but he was like oh

1148
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:12,800
james is a

1149
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,400
a government um what did he say

1150
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:19,599
kook or inside something that was just

1151
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,160
like

1152
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,800
the central agent psyops guy all that

1153
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,880
stuff and i was just like

1154
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:27,440
oh my god like i could not be more

1155
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,200
independent are you kidding me right now

1156
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,599
but you know you put yourself out there

1157
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,280
and that's what happens

1158
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,040
well listen there's a lot of people who

1159
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,640
do appreciate people like lou

1160
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,319
chris yourself and what you're doing and

1161
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,680
they've got in touch with a whole load

1162
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,960
of questions for you

1163
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,960
um so the first one james i've got from

1164
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,680
kyle kyle is a big fan of yours and as a

1165
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,640
brazilian

1166
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,640
and wants to know with the upcoming

1167
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,880
documentary have you managed to dig up

1168
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:54,800
anything new regarding the alleged

1169
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:58,800
virginia et autopsy

1170
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:05,349
we have some leads

1171
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:10,319
um there are people

1172
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,000
doctors that we are trying to get to

1173
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,160
come forward

1174
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:19,200
we have their ear

1175
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,510
it's it's kind of like you know

1176
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,359
um some of them are considering doing it

1177
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:30,960
if we disguise them

1178
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,040
or blur their face out um

1179
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,520
so we are in negotiations about that

1180
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,200
there's other evidence that we know

1181
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,880
about

1182
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,160
we're going to come prepared with the

1183
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:45,040
resources to to acquire stuff if that's

1184
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,680
the case

1185
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,480
and i'm also staying there for a month

1186
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,760
because

1187
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:52,960
it takes time to

1188
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,160
uh it takes time i need to be there and

1189
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,240
i need to be stationary i need to sit

1190
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,440
there and wait

1191
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:02,000
and and and ask questions and that's

1192
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:02,960
what we're doing

1193
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,240
so um we'll do everything

1194
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,359
we can that's all i can tell you awesome

1195
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,760
uh chris wants to know whether you are

1196
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,440
happy about the pace at which

1197
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,000
the destigmatization of the subject is

1198
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,520
happening

1199
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,560
yeah very happy i know because i've been

1200
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,359
laughed at for so long

1201
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:26,000
i have family abroad in england and in

1202
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:26,720
france

1203
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:30,880
and switzerland in italy uh

1204
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:34,000
who used to laugh at me honestly and

1205
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,640
they don't

1206
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,680
laugh at me anymore at all in fact

1207
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:40,240
quite the contrary they're fascinated by

1208
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:40,880
it

1209
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,920
and they're they're they're yeah they're

1210
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,280
paying attention

1211
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,480
so and that happened pretty much from

1212
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,000
the end of 2017 when

1213
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,720
when that uh a-tip program was revealed

1214
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,480
on the front page of the new york times

1215
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,119
so am i happy with the with the speed

1216
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:58,480
yeah i think it's moving pretty quickly

1217
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,280
now

1218
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,880
i'd like to see it continue to move

1219
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,520
quickly chris also had a follow-up and

1220
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,359
he wants to know just how profound the

1221
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:07,680
moment was it talking to the adults who

1222
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,000
as

1223
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,599
children witnessed the incident in

1224
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:11,839
zimbabwe most amazing

1225
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,599
uh time in my life that was

1226
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,160
one of those moments that you'll

1227
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,440
remember on your deathbed

1228
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,720
that's how amazing it was awesome

1229
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,079
look has a really good question and it

1230
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,839
touches on something that you touched on

1231
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,800
just before

1232
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,960
um so in the past you have said words to

1233
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,800
the effect of you don't want to touch on

1234
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,960
anything that was too out there

1235
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,640
with the phenomenon movie to maintain

1236
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,440
the credibility by not looking at cases

1237
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,599
which extend beyond close encounters of

1238
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,200
the third kind

1239
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,119
luke wants to know if you were to make a

1240
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:45,119
movie relating to close encounters of

1241
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,000
the fourth kind

1242
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,760
and other out there aspects of the

1243
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,079
phenomenon are there any cases you feel

1244
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,680
are the most important that you could

1245
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:53,520
portray in a serious manner to the

1246
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,710
i'm open to it um i'm open to it

1247
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,560
i'm open to it i've been thinking about

1248
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:06,160
that um

1249
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,240
and it's a maybe at this point you know

1250
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,480
i was shocked to be quite honest with

1251
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:13,839
you

1252
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,280
that not only

1253
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,319
did the

1254
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:22,480
high-level government officials featured

1255
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,190
not ask to be edited out

1256
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,390
but instead publicly endorsed it

1257
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,400
that was kind of a shocker for me

1258
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:37,920
because i got to tell you

1259
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,359
i had many sleepless nights

1260
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,520
you know thinking about because there

1261
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:44,880
were you know

1262
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:48,480
the the podestas and the senator reid

1263
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:48,880
and

1264
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,160
government governor governor bill

1265
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:53,680
richardson

1266
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,880
department of energy they don't sign

1267
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,160
releases until they see

1268
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,880
the finished product and so that's just

1269
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,680
the way it is

1270
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,880
right um so i was like

1271
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,839
i mean we're talking several years i was

1272
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:09,359
stressed

1273
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,480
because i was like you know what am i

1274
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:12,319
going to do if i finish this thing and

1275
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,520
then i can't release it because they

1276
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,280
want to be cut out you know

1277
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,560
so i was so i i guess i did it i guess i

1278
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,160
i pushed it just far enough with the

1279
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,119
phenomenon and i got away with it

1280
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,200
i'll push it next time i don't know yet

1281
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,119
and just on i have to mention because

1282
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,640
you talked about this on jimmy church

1283
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,400
but if people haven't listened to that

1284
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,920
loads of people have asked about the

1285
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,680
phenomenon potentially getting on to

1286
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,559
netflix

1287
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,839
yeah am i right and saying you're in

1288
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:37,680
negotiations with a major streaming

1289
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,240
network

1290
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,640
or several and that's hopefully going to

1291
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:41,839
happen at some point

1292
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,359
several several yes yes

1293
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,400
cool so there you go yeah yeah

1294
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,280
several yeah cool so maybe a prime

1295
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,200
network it might be a netflix

1296
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:56,160
network it could be it yeah it's very

1297
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,040
good

1298
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,160
you know um

1299
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,079
we'll know a lot more in about a month

1300
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,520
maybe a little less

1301
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,359
cool that's a good timeline for you so

1302
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,040
hopefully august september

1303
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,559
we have the offers on the table we're

1304
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,800
just trying to make our best move

1305
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,119
you know and sometimes you get an offer

1306
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,599
and it doesn't make financial sense

1307
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,400
i i don't do this for the money but i'm

1308
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,160
not gonna give something away

1309
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,839
i worked so hard on this film i thought

1310
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,920
i was gonna die and i

1311
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,920
i don't say that lightly i'm not trying

1312
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,160
to sound like a drama queen but

1313
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,200
um it was

1314
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,680
it was so hard it felt impossible at

1315
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:35,040
times

1316
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,960
believe how hard this is

1317
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,480
like this is ridiculous you know what i

1318
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,079
mean listen

1319
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,680
the effort shows in the final product

1320
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,680
that's that's done and that's that's

1321
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,359
there now for everyone to see so

1322
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,880
and people appreciate that and i've said

1323
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:50,480
before and i've i've said this to death

1324
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,960
but

1325
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,640
people like yourself have got families

1326
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,720
that are affected by the work you do

1327
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:57,119
positively and negatively so all of that

1328
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,920
combined

1329
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,440
do you know what if people do make some

1330
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:00,880
money out the work they put into this

1331
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440
then

1332
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,599
that's got to be a byproduct like people

1333
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,119
have to make a living and

1334
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:07,200
now you're going to spend a month away

1335
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,319
from the family

1336
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,119
in brazil that's not free that costs you

1337
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:13,040
money and time and time you don't get

1338
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,400
back with your son

1339
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,480
and your wife so all that's got to be

1340
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,240
taken into consideration by

1341
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:21,520
by any normal sane person i

1342
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,280
was so broke

1343
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,440
it was probably about six and a half

1344
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,359
years ago i was about a year into the

1345
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,559
thing i

1346
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,520
all the money dried up my royalties from

1347
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:35,200
other films dried up i had no bank

1348
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,240
account because i owed

1349
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,119
a lot of money to back taxes and i was

1350
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,800
laughing i was becoming a dad and i was

1351
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:42,400
like i've never been so broke i just

1352
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,440
can't believe this

1353
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,720
i couldn't even afford to live in the

1354
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,920
house that i bought because i was

1355
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:47,760
renting it out

1356
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,280
and um i put my

1357
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:54,400
family's security um

1358
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,160
and my son's you know security

1359
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,200
on the line and i won't do that again

1360
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,720
but i did it and i pulled it off but i

1361
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,760
tell you it was

1362
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,480
very precarious for a while i mean i was

1363
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,520
running

1364
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,280
money that i was raising through my

1365
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,640
partner rebecca's account

1366
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,000
because i didn't have a bank account i

1367
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,000
mean that's to give you an idea yeah

1368
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,119
um um and you know

1369
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,040
thank god it paid off but it might not

1370
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,920
have do you know what i mean

1371
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:25,839
but but it did then you can laugh about

1372
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:32,470
taylor's got a question yes it was worth

1373
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,280
it but was it

1374
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,319
when i do it again oh

1375
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,920
i don't want to do that again i don't

1376
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,920
want to go through that again hopefully

1377
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,240
you don't have to

1378
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,160
tyler wants to know emmy says kind of a

1379
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,920
silly question but i quite like it

1380
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:48,000
if james had access to a magic crystal

1381
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,520
ball that would let him view

1382
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,400
any ufo case in a third person view

1383
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:54,559
which case would you choose and why

1384
00:50:59,309 --> 00:50:58,240
socorro i've got a follow-up on that

1385
00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:59,319
down the line as well

1386
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:02,880
1964 socorro new mexico

1387
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:06,960
april 24th 5 p.m sun setting

1388
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,480
in the desert because i know so much

1389
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:11,920
about the case

1390
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:15,920
now and there are unanswered questions

1391
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,240
because the witness is dead

1392
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,800
lana zamora and i spoke with his wife

1393
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,559
and his daughter and his co-workers and

1394
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:25,920
his son

1395
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,040
and there is so much

1396
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:32,800
more to that case that i didn't

1397
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:36,160
include in the film and that is the

1398
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,599
symbol on the side of the craft the

1399
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:39,359
metal shavings from the landing gear on

1400
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,400
the ground

1401
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,960
the look that the bean gave him when he

1402
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,160
called out

1403
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:46,160
thinking that it was an overturned car

1404
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:49,520
in a gully down in arroyo

1405
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,040
his wife said to me

1406
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,480
boy he must have seen something that

1407
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,319
really shook him up because he was never

1408
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,599
the same after that

1409
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,800
and i read letters

1410
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,400
from his personal archive that i didn't

1411
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,359
include in the movie some of which

1412
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,240
that indicated that he was calling out

1413
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:10,160
like hey are you guys okay you know kind

1414
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,960
of thing

1415
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,480
and one of them turned and looked him

1416
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,760
right in the eyes and there was

1417
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,040
something

1418
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,520
transmitted to him that he never shared

1419
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,880
with anybody

1420
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,760
boy would i like to know what that was

1421
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:23,040
and that's one of those things that no

1422
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:24,240
one's ever going to know more than

1423
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,040
likely

1424
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:27,200
i know and he locked he locked eyes with

1425
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,480
one of those beans

1426
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,200
and there was something there was some

1427
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:33,680
sort of exchange

1428
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,599
but i'll never know not in this life

1429
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,839
uh mike has the question he wants to

1430
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:41,680
know are there any cases that you want

1431
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:42,400
to cover

1432
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:46,480
a witness to go on record

1433
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:49,839
oh god yeah well

1434
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:53,119
um o'hare night

1435
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:57,119
uh sorry 2006 um

1436
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:00,640
in uh at the o'hare airport

1437
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:04,240
chicago and i spoke with witnesses

1438
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:07,280
people employees of united airlines

1439
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:11,040
and they're like well unless you want to

1440
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,240
pay my salary

1441
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,960
until i retire i'm not going for coming

1442
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,440
forward

1443
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,280
i said what do you mean they're like

1444
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:19,359
i'll lose my job with 100

1445
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,520
certainty so that there was that

1446
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:26,160
um i'm just trying to think other cases

1447
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,559
where

1448
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,839
witnesses wouldn't come i mean it

1449
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,599
happens on every case

1450
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,440
can i just ask though i've got 10 i want

1451
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:32,880
to get to some more questions but really

1452
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,440
quickly

1453
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,720
in that chicago incident 2006 that's

1454
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,760
that's obviously

1455
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:40,480
15 years ago it's pretty modern why is

1456
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:41,040
there so

1457
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:43,839
little if any footage or photographic

1458
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,480
evidence

1459
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,800
of that incident because the few things

1460
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,000
that appear online

1461
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,960
people tend to say that it's it's fake

1462
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,599
or

1463
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,640
cgi so i'm not sure i've ever seen

1464
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,400
legitimate footage or photographic

1465
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,760
evidence from it

1466
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,599
well i know for a fact that a photograph

1467
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,000
was taken it was either by a pilot or it

1468
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:04,000
was a united airlines guy on the ground

1469
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:04,880
because

1470
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,240
i i have the faa tapes talking about

1471
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,240
the fact that the there was a photograph

1472
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,559
of it taken and i've spoken to

1473
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:14,400
some of the witnesses about it but that

1474
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,920
photograph just like many others

1475
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,400
disappeared

1476
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,160
that's frustrating especially with a

1477
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,520
modern case

1478
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:24,319
oh yeah you have no idea if you and i

1479
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:25,520
wanted to talk about evidence

1480
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:26,640
disappearing

1481
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,920
we could talk until the sun comes up

1482
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,440
we'll do that on the next frustrating

1483
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,359
it's like i can't even like

1484
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,960
you know i won't talk about it in my

1485
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,559
movies because it's like you know

1486
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,720
who's to believe me but i'm telling you

1487
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,559
i've gotten so close to

1488
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:42,319
so much evidence i've talked to so many

1489
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:43,599
witnesses

1490
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,520
my god it's you wonder why

1491
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,760
you see jacques valet cradling those

1492
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,119
metal bits

1493
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,440
i was like jock what is wrong with you

1494
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,200
like he was like this

1495
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,599
everywhere he walked inside that lab and

1496
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,040
i said jesus jock

1497
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:01,040
you're looking awfully paranoid and he

1498
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,559
said these things have a strange way of

1499
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:04,720
disappearing

1500
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,000
and he's right he's very right erin has

1501
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,920
a good question and it touches back on

1502
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,760
earlier on you you made a comment and i

1503
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,359
made a point of writing it down and not

1504
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,200
bringing it up at the time you have an

1505
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,640
incline as to

1506
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,359
what it is as in the phenomenon or what

1507
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,040
it may be

1508
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,960
she wants to know after so many years of

1509
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,799
research and interviews on the topic

1510
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,400
what is your gut feeling

1511
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:29,040
about the intention or purpose of ufos

1512
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,630
i think that there's an omnipresent

1513
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:40,079
intelligence

1514
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:43,760
that's around us all the time and

1515
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:46,720
it has the ability to manifest itself in

1516
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,510
sometimes i think that it could appear

1517
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,280
in a way that allows

1518
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:04,480
the witness to barely comprehend

1519
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:07,359
like just about comprehend it always

1520
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:08,240
seems to stay

1521
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,190
jacques talks about the fact that they

1522
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:17,119
are tricksters

1523
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:21,839
they have a sense of humor um

1524
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,440
you know i look at the ufos and nukes

1525
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:26,559
connection

1526
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,000
and it's like taking

1527
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:32,240
matches out of the hands of a baby right

1528
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,119
uh the

1529
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,680
the the the the messages that they

1530
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,839
provided the children in africa

1531
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,520
about environmental destruction and

1532
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:41,440
stuff you know

1533
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:45,520
the fact that when travis walton

1534
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,599
was dropped off and i went to that site

1535
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,680
where he was taken and let me tell you

1536
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:53,440
man you want to talk remote

1537
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,960
it's remote remote especially back in

1538
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,000
1970

1539
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,359
whatever it was 75 um

1540
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,280
and i think about the fact that they

1541
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,200
dropped him off five days later on the

1542
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,520
outskirts of town they didn't put him

1543
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,960
they didn't drop him off where they

1544
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,799
picked him up he would have died

1545
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,000
they dropped him off right on the

1546
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,319
outskirts of town in a little

1547
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,720
like a valley like a dip right on the

1548
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,760
outskirts

1549
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,760
close enough where he'd be okay but

1550
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:21,440
minimizing any potential for their

1551
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:22,480
exposure

1552
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:25,520
right so you know you look at what they

1553
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:26,079
do

1554
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,799
that that says a lot

1555
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,640
and when you say they are you talking

1556
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:34,640
about an intelligence that is

1557
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,200
all one set of beings all with the same

1558
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,119
goal

1559
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,520
because for me that's where it's yeah

1560
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,359
surely can't be in this topic because

1561
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,200
you hear so many different things

1562
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,000
yeah no in fact at one point we

1563
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,799
considered the title all of the above

1564
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,880
because we thought you know it's

1565
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:57,200
probably all of the above

1566
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,799
it's probably extraterrestrial

1567
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,799
interplanetary interdimensional it's

1568
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:02,400
probably all of the above

1569
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,520
probably probably

1570
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,040
and then it could be none of those and

1571
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,200
something else all together

1572
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,880
there's nothing else all together i know

1573
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,040
it's right which is anybody who says

1574
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:14,559
they know

1575
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:17,119
they don't know that that could be the

1576
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:18,640
title for the phenomenon too

1577
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,359
anyone who says they know they don't

1578
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,880
listen there was a few more listener

1579
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,319
questions that we'll get to another time

1580
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,000
i'll keep them for you james i do just

1581
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,680
want to finish off very quickly with a

1582
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,799
quick fire round

1583
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,799
i've got a couple of names and topics

1584
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,319
that you can give as little or as much

1585
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,920
of a response to as possible

1586
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,200
and then you can go on with the rest of

1587
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,280
the evening and the first one is bob

1588
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:38,960
lazar

1589
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:45,589
probably in the mid-90s and at a

1590
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,160
conference

1591
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,839
very brief it's so funny i've got a film

1592
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,440
strip in my head about it and i walked

1593
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,400
up to him and i

1594
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,400
shook his hand and i thanked him for

1595
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:54,799
coming forward

1596
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,030
and i've always believed that bob lazar

1597
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:06,720
believes what he's saying do i think

1598
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:10,480
there's a possibility that he was used

1599
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:15,280
unwillingly or unwillingly to

1600
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,720
spread some disinformation

1601
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,960
coupled with accurate information i

1602
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,559
think it's a possibility

1603
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,200
definitely but i believe that he

1604
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,559
believes what he's saying

1605
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:29,040
that's just my take jeremy corbell knows

1606
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,000
a lot more about him

1607
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,200
that's just my take can i just ask you

1608
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,880
know what you said that about bob lazar

1609
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,200
believing what he's saying but there may

1610
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:39,440
be a mix of truth and disinformation in

1611
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:40,160
there

1612
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,910
probably just curious um

1613
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:55,920
so on that my next one was going to be

1614
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:58,640
to the stars academy

1615
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,920
your thoughts well you know a lot of

1616
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:03,520
great people

1617
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,559
part of it you know i think um

1618
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:09,599
uh semivan and and

1619
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:13,280
put off and melon and

1620
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:20,870
you know very qualified uh

1621
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,359
incredible people incredible what i

1622
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:25,040
don't know those people aren't there

1623
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:28,400
you know and so it's like uh it's so

1624
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,200
easy

1625
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,440
for any one of us to sit on the outside

1626
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:33,760
and criticize someone else's efforts

1627
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,640
you know it's so easy it's so easy to do

1628
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,079
i've done it myself

1629
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,359
um but they

1630
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,960
they did some extraordinary things

1631
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:44,480
whether you like them or respect them or

1632
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,280
not

1633
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:47,520
you know look at us talking about the

1634
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,559
tic tac

1635
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,720
look at what chris and lou did getting

1636
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:52,960
that evidence out of the pentagon

1637
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,319
um look at what leslie kane did

1638
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,640
and getting that story on the front page

1639
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,000
of the new york times

1640
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:02,400
uh these were big steps these are big

1641
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:03,280
moves

1642
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:07,200
and so uh love them or hate them

1643
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,280
ttsa i think did some big things

1644
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,680
um what's your favorite ufo or

1645
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,680
phenomenon documentary that isn't your

1646
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:22,829
probably um i know what i saw

1647
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:28,630
no let me be serious uh probably out of

1648
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:29,119
the blue

1649
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,400
no no sorry this is just free

1650
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:37,030
though let me think about it that's a

1651
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,069
i i've seen some good ones on on roswell

1652
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,109
uh ufos the best evidence

1653
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,920
feels a bit dated but that was i was

1654
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:52,960
definitely liked

1655
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:04,829
because there must be another one i'm

1656
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,190
overlooking

1657
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,160
i i can't really you know what yeah i'll

1658
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:11,839
go with you i'll go with what i'm gonna

1659
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:15,119
i'm gonna be frightfully honest to me

1660
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,640
it seemed so painfully obvious

1661
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:22,559
what needed to happen in terms of a

1662
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,520
documentary on the topic

1663
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:27,599
i'll repeat something that you quoted me

1664
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:28,799
on earlier

1665
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,839
credibility credibility credibility and

1666
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,319
um

1667
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:36,319
because the stories themselves are so

1668
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:38,000
extraordinary that you don't need to add

1669
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,119
any kind of like

1670
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,839
green smoke or alien faces you know

1671
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:44,079
unless it's the witness drawing them

1672
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,240
um let me ask you james yes or no

1673
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:50,400
has the best ufo documentary been made

1674
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:57,029
to date yeah including your own body of

1675
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,680
work

1676
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,839
do you think that at the end of all of

1677
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:01,680
this the better ones coming

1678
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,839
yeah i'd like to outdo myself i mean um

1679
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:08,079
i mean i'm part you know i'm biased

1680
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,039
right i

1681
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,799
i love the phenomenon i think i did a

1682
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,400
great job and it was a team effort i had

1683
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,920
a lot of great people working with me to

1684
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:15,680
make it happen it's not

1685
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,720
you know wonderful people my god

1686
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,920
you've got to surround yourself with

1687
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:21,520
people that are more better qualified

1688
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:29,270
but i think that one thing that does

1689
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,559
excite me is that

1690
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:33,359
the phenomenon set the bar for other

1691
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,640
productions

1692
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,480
to take it more seriously and report on

1693
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,680
it more seriously

1694
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:40,000
and so i'm really hoping that that yeah

1695
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,119
feeling like it's

1696
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:44,000
it's it's it's elevating the topic it's

1697
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,440
elevating the conversation it's

1698
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,039
elevating the narrative

1699
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:50,160
so that excites me uh is the best one i

1700
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:50,880
hope not

1701
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,440
i think there's going to be better stuff

1702
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,119
coming on the pike and i'd like to outdo

1703
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:56,880
myself if i could

1704
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:59,599
i'll try i i don't think the phenomenon

1705
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,240
raised the bar

1706
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,920
i think it made a new bar and that's

1707
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:03,359
that's the standard better so you've

1708
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:03,920
you've got to

1709
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:06,720
do that yourself listen to two more the

1710
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:08,559
first one is do you prefer the term

1711
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,200
ufo or uap ufo ufo everyone says ufo

1712
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:16,000
yeah but but i but i get it i totally

1713
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:16,960
get it

1714
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,039
it makes more sense with uap

1715
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:24,000
but a lot of people are like uap like i

1716
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:26,079
say ufo oh right yeah no yeah but you

1717
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,280
know what funnily enough

1718
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,160
see if you say uap it gets you into the

1719
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:32,319
conversation about ufos easier than

1720
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,359
seeing ufo

1721
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,960
that's what i think totally and i say

1722
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:37,200
uaps now i say it

1723
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,960
but i'm still adjusting

1724
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,680
i get it i get it ufos has baggage it's

1725
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:45,520
less accurate because it's a phenomenon

1726
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,240
you know what i mean

1727
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:48,079
because it's not just unidentified

1728
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,520
flying objects it's

1729
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,760
unidentified aerial phenomenon maybe

1730
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:53,039
it's not an object maybe it's you know

1731
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:54,000
what i mean i get it

1732
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,680
it's more accurate it doesn't have any

1733
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:58,319
baggage i totally get it

1734
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:01,359
but i like ufos finally james finally

1735
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:02,640
what does disclosure

1736
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,309
i don't think it's going to happen in

1737
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,079
the way that people describe

1738
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,440
disclosure i don't think there's going

1739
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:13,599
to be the president standing up

1740
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,760
i don't see it that way i feel like

1741
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,280
i have to take you back to my

1742
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:21,200
conversation in front of parliament in

1743
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,799
england in london

1744
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,160
with nick pope when he was still with

1745
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,480
the mod

1746
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:29,280
and i said to him do you anticipate any

1747
01:05:32,430 --> 01:05:30,400
type of

1748
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,440
government disclosure it's like probably

1749
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:33,839
2007

1750
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,640
maybe something like that 2000 yeah

1751
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:37,680
probably 2007.

1752
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:38,880
i don't know if he was actually still

1753
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,160
working i think he was still working for

1754
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:41,520
the mod but in any case

1755
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:43,280
i think he was gone from them by that

1756
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,720
point oh was he okay

1757
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,079
we were walking in front of the park we

1758
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:48,720
were walking in front of front of uh

1759
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:52,000
parliament at the time beautiful shot

1760
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:55,039
and he said to me you know james

1761
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:56,799
it's not going to be disclosure with a

1762
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:00,079
big d it'll be disclosure with a small d

1763
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:01,760
and i kind of feel like that's what's

1764
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:03,119
happening now

1765
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:07,359
because if you think about it

1766
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:08,799
they've admitted that these things are

1767
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:11,440
real they've admitted

1768
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,319
that they don't believe it's us in other

1769
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:15,760
words the united states

1770
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:18,640
and they think it's extremely unlikely

1771
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:21,039
that it's the russians or the chinese

1772
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:24,559
so that's kind of a big deal

1773
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:30,789
i i would agree with that james we will

1774
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:32,000
have to do a follow-up to this

1775
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,359
when you've got time and when you've got

1776
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,280
more to update us on how can people

1777
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,200
follow you and follow your work

1778
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:40,400
oh um well they

1779
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,480
uh the phenomenon film.com

1780
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,880
and if you guys if anyone wants to watch

1781
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,319
the documentary

1782
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,880
i don't know i think it's vimeo and

1783
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,280
itunes are the only two sites

1784
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:56,000
that actually uh if you if you if you

1785
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:57,440
rent it or buy it

1786
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,640
um that provide i think it's like three

1787
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,480
hours of bonus material

1788
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,240
i mentioned this because when i don't

1789
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:05,680
mention it people go why didn't you tell

1790
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,599
me i went out to watch a movie and i

1791
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,599
i i actually bought it and i didn't get

1792
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,839
any bonus material i'm like i'm sorry i

1793
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,839
i didn't think about i didn't realize so

1794
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:15,359
now i make a point of telling people if

1795
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,400
you do buy it

1796
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,760
if you rent it just rent it from the

1797
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:19,440
cheapest place you can rent it from but

1798
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:19,839
if you

1799
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,200
buy it uh get it from itunes or vimeo

1800
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,119
and you get three hours of free material

1801
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,119
for the same price

1802
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:29,599
awesome that's great listen james at

1803
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,119
best of luck in brazil

1804
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,880
and we look forward to obviously hearing

1805
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,200
what happens and future updates from you

1806
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:37,760
thank you i appreciate you having me on

1807
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,319
that is

1808
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:40,319
all for this week's show thank you very

1809
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,520
much for listening

1810
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,359
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1811
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,520
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1812
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,240
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1813
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:50,160
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1814
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,680
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1815
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,680
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1816
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,680
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1817
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,000
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1818
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1819
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1820
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1821
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,839
of course on twitter it's at ufouapam

1822
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:09,920
and again folks as always keep looking

1823
01:08:36,839 --> 01:08:40,110
is

1824
01:08:40,120 --> 01:09:04,550
[Music]

1825
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:09,829
jump back

1826
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:11,110
there was something on my head and

1827
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:12,880
everything was weird and everything was

1828
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,199
red

1829
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:14,799
i helped out my boys they thought this

1830
01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:21,290
was noise they thought it was a dream

1831
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:30,630
[Music]

1832
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:32,719
if you really want to know who i think

1833
01:10:04,940 --> 01:09:48,229
and what's that

1834
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:14,830
[Music]

1835
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:21,100
is

1836
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:27,310
[Music]

1837
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:46,130
it's very smooth

1838
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,830
[Music]